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MartinR

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Re: Old Kingsferry Bridges
« Reply #11 on: October 10, 2019, 09:41:50 PM »
I have a paper version, but it seems similar.  The relevant quote is:
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Tremseth Bridge broken by the violence of the sea in the 2lst year of Edward 1.
Since Edward reigned from 16 November 1272 – 7 July 1307 means it would be the winter (probably) of 1293/4.  I agree Capel Gate looks the most likely location for the ferry, but I don't have any specific details.  I can't see anything on the 1863 OS County series 1:2,500 map.  The other possible location would be the back road to Muswell manor.  We need to be a little careful in assuming that the fleet was always in its current location.  All of the land below the 5m contour might well have been part of Capel Fleet or the marshes at various times.  During the floods in 1893 the fleet spread out to be 100 yards wide.

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Re: Old Kingsferry Bridges
« Reply #10 on: October 10, 2019, 03:18:04 PM »
MartinR, is this the publication you are referring to?

https://sheppeyhistory.uk/z-sheppey/churches/harty.html
 
I am assuming Capel gate is the location of the former ferry. It says that as late as 1893 the ferry house was still there but looking at maps from the same period I can find no trace of it.

MartinR

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Re: Old Kingsferry Bridges
« Reply #9 on: October 10, 2019, 08:54:57 AM »
See page 7 of: Patience, Colin; Perks, Hugh (ARICS), St, Thomas the Apostle, Isle of Harty, published by the church

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Re: Old Kingsferry Bridges
« Reply #8 on: October 10, 2019, 12:31:51 AM »
I can't find any information about a flood in 1293, but I found that Canterbury Priory's bill for drainage and flood defences for 1293-94 was over £128, nearly double their annual income.


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Re: Old Kingsferry Bridges
« Reply #7 on: October 09, 2019, 06:01:38 PM »
The "violent inundation" appears to have been in 1293.

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Re: Old Kingsferry Bridges
« Reply #6 on: October 09, 2019, 05:38:16 PM »

The South Eastern Railway built this first bridge in 1860 which for some reason was known as the Queen's Bridge. This was later replaced in 1906 by the bascule bridge featured earlier. What looks like the Lord Nelson pub is visible toward the right.
 



 
There has been written elsewhere some erroneous information concerning an even earlier medieval bridge known as the Tremseth Bridge, which according to the historian Charles Igglesden was destroyed by a freak flood tide and never replaced. However, the Isle of Sheppey was at one time the Isles of Sheppey, with Harty and Elmley once separated from the main island, and this bridge actually connected Sheppey with Harty rather than Sheppey with the mainland. After it was lost, a ferry operated in its stead, until by the 18th century the dividing fleet became so completely silted up it was no longer needed.
 
From The History and Topographical Survey of the County of Kent by Edward Hasted, in reference to Harty:
 
"It appears by the pleas of the crown, in the 21st year of king Edward I taken before the justices itinerant, that there was formerly a bridge leading from hence into Shepey, then called Tremseth bridge, which had been broken down by a violent inundation of the sea, and the channel thereby made so deep, that a new one could not be laid, and therefore the inhabitants of Shepey, who before repaired it, maintained in the room of it two ferry-boats, to carry passengers to and fro".
 
"There is now no bridge here, and the fleet which divided this island from that of Shepey is become so very narrow, and has for several years past been so much filled up, that, excepting at high tides and overflow of the waters, Harty has ceased to have any appearance of an island".

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« Reply #5 on: September 22, 2019, 01:18:14 PM »

I believe this photograph was taken on June 30th 1929 and depicts a celebration marking the removal of the toll. I can't find any information detailing what toll prices were, although the council are said to have paid the railway company £55,000 to abolish them, equivalent today to about £3.5 million.



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Re: Old Kingsferry Bridge
« Reply #4 on: September 15, 2019, 11:55:54 AM »
At the risk of going off topic, Smiffy did ask for more light on the coach in his original post https://thetransportlibrary.co.uk/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=94616 (Invicta Alec's reference) https://www.flickr.com/photos/micastone/20600493234/in/photolist-xooUVQ-y3UWD6 (model photo)  https://www.classicbuses.co.uk/mdreg.html (mentioned way down the page, rebuild and transferred to Macclesfield in April 1965)

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Re: Old Kingsferry Bridge
« Reply #3 on: September 15, 2019, 11:39:22 AM »
I'll look into that Alec  :D
"I did not say the French would not come, I said they will not come by sea" - Admiral Sir John Jervis, 1st Earl St Vincent.

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Re: Old Kingsferry Bridge
« Reply #2 on: September 15, 2019, 11:19:29 AM »
WKM362 it is indeed. It tells us that the vehicle was first registered in Kent.


Out of sheer curiosity I did a Google search and found a newer picture which indicates that Maidstone and District sold it off to new owners in the Macclesfield area.


https://thetransportlibrary.co.uk/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=20119

(just scroll down a picture or two)

Admin (Stuart) please note: I had wanted to give a "like" to smiffy's post, but it isn't an option on this category. Does it have to be turned on (or off) for individual categories?

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Old Kingsferry Bridges
« Reply #1 on: September 14, 2019, 10:58:25 PM »

I wasn't sure whether to post this in railways or buses, but now we have a section for river crossings I thought it might be better to put it in here.
This photograph of a locomotive and bus crossing the old bascule bridge must have been taken before April 1960 as this is when the new bridge (visible on the right) was opened.



The engine is a C class locomotive built for the SECR in 1908. It was withdrawn on 30th November 1960 and cut up on 31st January 1961. Only one of this type has been preserved and can be seen on the Bluebell Railway.


The coach is a bit of a mystery to me, apart from the fact it's a Maidstone & District vehicle. Perhaps someone with more knowledge of buses could throw some light on the subject. The registration plate looks like WKM 362.